# Invisible Worker: The courage for risk

Season 2, Episode 1

#### _Featuring Jason Desentz, CHRO, Toshiba_

Only 4% of those raised in the lowest income bracket reach the top 20% of earners.

Jason Desentz, CHRO of Toshiba, is one of them.

Desentz opens up about the powerful lessons learned on his journey: from the anxiety of relying on SNAP benefits and wearing thrifted clothes, to realizing that character is defined by how you treat people, not what you wear.

This lived experience with scarcity and struggle taught him a vital truth: **"I had nothing to lose."** This belief fuels his current HR philosophy, pushing him to actively take risks and accept that failure builds boundaries.

Discover how this mindset informs his leadership philosophy: **"Listen, Learn, Lead."**

Jason discusses why great leaders want to be led and how personal experiences—like managing a family healthcare crisis—teach us not to sweat the small stuff, providing the essential empathy needed to **support and empower the everyday worker**.

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